Question Stormtrooper Helmet is Incorrect

  • Frimmatone
  • Frimmatone's Avatar Topic Author
  • Offline
  • Fresh Boarder
  • Fresh Boarder
  • Posts: 9
  • Thank you received: 1

Frimmatone created the topic: Stormtrooper Helmet is Incorrect

I love the new Stormtrooper. It's almost perfect! Almost...

The helmet is not correct, though. The details are there, but the profile is wrong. I've put two other helmets beside the Wartech version for comparison. There are also hundreds of reference photos from the SW films available online. You can clearly see that the Wartech helmet faceplate is too flat.

I don't know if this can be fixed, but I hope it can be and that an update will be issued. Because like I said, other than the helmet, the product is almost perfect.


#1448
Attachments:
  • Posts: 750
  • Karma: 17
  • Thank you received: 160

wartech replied the topic: Stormtrooper Helmet is Incorrect

Hi! Can you post here corrent helmet please)) ... Its good that you post in time)) Cause we already near finish with addon ... and it have tube connecter to helmet filter)


#1449
Attachments:
  • Posts: 96
  • Karma: 4
  • Thank you received: 17

MKDAWUSS replied the topic: Stormtrooper Helmet is Incorrect

Also, I think the V4 trooper's gloves are a bit off (they conform funny)
#1450
  • Frimmatone
  • Frimmatone's Avatar Topic Author
  • Offline
  • Fresh Boarder
  • Fresh Boarder
  • Posts: 9
  • Thank you received: 1

Frimmatone replied the topic: Stormtrooper Helmet is Incorrect

#1451
  • Frimmatone
  • Frimmatone's Avatar Topic Author
  • Offline
  • Fresh Boarder
  • Fresh Boarder
  • Posts: 9
  • Thank you received: 1

Frimmatone replied the topic: Stormtrooper Helmet is Incorrect

The helmet I posted isn't perfect. But it's a very good reference.
#1452
  • Posts: 750
  • Karma: 17
  • Thank you received: 160

wartech replied the topic: Stormtrooper Helmet is Incorrect

Is it possible as obj or pp2 file? ... image are not too good ) or link to this helmet))
#1453
  • Frimmatone
  • Frimmatone's Avatar Topic Author
  • Offline
  • Fresh Boarder
  • Fresh Boarder
  • Posts: 9
  • Thank you received: 1

Frimmatone replied the topic: Stormtrooper Helmet is Incorrect

Sorry, I don't remember where I got it from. It was an old Poser freebie. It was for Michael 2 or 3.
#1454
  • Posts: 750
  • Karma: 17
  • Thank you received: 160

wartech replied the topic: Stormtrooper Helmet is Incorrect

Ok))) Then can you just make Daz Stufio --- File->Export as WaveFront Object (*.obj) .. zip and send me ) or uplaod here)
#1455
  • Frimmatone
  • Frimmatone's Avatar Topic Author
  • Offline
  • Fresh Boarder
  • Fresh Boarder
  • Posts: 9
  • Thank you received: 1

Frimmatone replied the topic: Stormtrooper Helmet is Incorrect

Messaged you
#1456
  • Posts: 750
  • Karma: 17
  • Thank you received: 160

wartech replied the topic: Stormtrooper Helmet is Incorrect

Hi) Got you file... And just for sure grab sketch files... Image from Star Wars movie.... so looks our reproduction is good one)) Instread of Vanishing point and others... ))) Here is a prooff ))) our helmet 1 and your is 2



#1457
Attachments:
  • Frimmatone
  • Frimmatone's Avatar Topic Author
  • Offline
  • Fresh Boarder
  • Fresh Boarder
  • Posts: 9
  • Thank you received: 1

Frimmatone replied the topic: Stormtrooper Helmet is Incorrect

Well, maybe you're right. :)
#1458
Attachments:
  • Frimmatone
  • Frimmatone's Avatar Topic Author
  • Offline
  • Fresh Boarder
  • Fresh Boarder
  • Posts: 9
  • Thank you received: 1

Frimmatone replied the topic: Stormtrooper Helmet is Incorrect

My apologies for making life difficult!
#1459
The following user(s) said Thank You: wartech
  • Posts: 750
  • Karma: 17
  • Thank you received: 160

wartech replied the topic: Stormtrooper Helmet is Incorrect

No))) It is fine)) Good that you aware and check that we made all fine))))))
#1460
  • Posts: 23
  • Thank you received: 3

rannochmuir replied the topic: Stormtrooper Helmet is Incorrect

Hi,
I'm sorry I didn't spot this thread sooner, as I'd like to add my own thoughts, if I may ....

Having campaigned for its creation I've been using the new stormtrooper alot since its release, and concur with Frimmatone that overall it is the best stormtrooper model available. The textures and specular maps are wonderful, even close up. I haven't noticed many issues with the gloves, however I have found the shoulder pauldrons often need quite a bit of work (widening, translations, rotations) to fit more extreme poses. They tend to ride high, and are rather more arched than I would have expected.

Anyway, to the helmet - I do agree it has some issues which I've noted whilst trying to create a shocktrooper texture for it. It is rather assymetric (modelled from a 3D scanned helmet?) which makes texture mapping a little tricky. I was a little disappointed the nasal grill and mouth vents weren't modelled and I think the former is one of the reasons the front of the mask doesn't look quite right. In my opinion the mouth area doesn't need to come forward, but the angle of the bridge of the nose needs tweaked and and the upper bridge and grill edges need refined. Also the upper cranium of the helmet needs to be flatter on top, and steeper at the sides. I thought I'd do a quick Zbrush morph to apply to your helmet to show you what I mean. ( you're welcome to this morph, if you'd like me to send it to you as an .obj).





Thought I'd also showcase my shock-trooper overlay texture below (it's not quite finished yet). I'd be happy to donate this to the site for the Freebie section, if you would like it. :)





p.s. For anyone that's interested I've found the default Poser texture; Procedurals > glass > "Glass_1" with the diffuse colour set to a very,very dark green works great for the lenses (not used in the morph comparison pic)
#1465
The following user(s) said Thank You: wartech
  • Posts: 750
  • Karma: 17
  • Thank you received: 160

wartech replied the topic: Stormtrooper Helmet is Incorrect

Hi)) It really cool if you send us a morphs we will update helmet)))

And you just make one of texures that we plan to put in Addon Box)))

P.S. Just Dirty Render)))





#1466
Attachments:
  • Posts: 750
  • Karma: 17
  • Thank you received: 160

wartech replied the topic: Stormtrooper Helmet is Incorrect

And One customer make nice render of C-3PO in Daz Iray ... with some small texture Update))) So looks soon update product)))



#1467
Attachments:
  • Posts: 23
  • Thank you received: 3

rannochmuir replied the topic: Stormtrooper Helmet is Incorrect

Lol! Great minds think alike. :)

I know shadow troopers can go invisible, but I didn't know just there weapons could! ;)

Seriously, these textures look fantastic. Greatly looking forward to them. I'll send you the morph .obj just now.
#1468
  • Posts: 750
  • Karma: 17
  • Thank you received: 160

wartech replied the topic: Stormtrooper Helmet is Incorrect

Also if its not hard mar preset i will update product)) And of cause i remember anbout buggy gloves...

But i do not know what to do with PLDRS ... so we just do good rotation axis ... so they can be easily to rotate...
#1469
  • Posts: 23
  • Thank you received: 3

rannochmuir replied the topic: Stormtrooper Helmet is Incorrect

Will you do a TIE pilot and AT-AT driver? Since their helmets are heavily based on the Stormtrooper one.
#1470
  • Posts: 750
  • Karma: 17
  • Thank you received: 160

wartech replied the topic: Stormtrooper Helmet is Incorrect

Well we plan to make SnowTroopers and ScoutTroopers firt)))
Also right now new Scout Trooper bike in development)))
#1471
The following user(s) said Thank You: Roninpryyst
  • Posts: 23
  • Thank you received: 3

rannochmuir replied the topic: Stormtrooper Helmet is Incorrect

Sweet!

BTW, I PM'ed you links for the morph.obj and .mtl. Let me know if you have any problems getting them.
#1472
The following user(s) said Thank You: wartech, Roninpryyst
  • Posts: 750
  • Karma: 17
  • Thank you received: 160

wartech replied the topic: Stormtrooper Helmet is Incorrect

Hi)

Today check you Helmet update so their hole in the top... so have to make top part more round... but it makes helmet close to old one....


#1473
Attachments:
  • Posts: 23
  • Thank you received: 3

rannochmuir replied the topic: Stormtrooper Helmet is Incorrect

Hi Wartech,
Yeah I didn't check the morph with the M4 head visible as it was really just to give a demo of the areas that I thought needed addressed. I have prepared a couple of adapted morphs (one for the M4 Helmet, the other for the V4 helmet) that rectify the poke-through issue above, I'll PM you the links to these. However I would still widen the nasal grill slightly in the 3D program you use, as mine are a bit narrow. The main issue with tweaking the helmet is it is so distorted (view from above in wire frame mode) and ZBrush can't use its symmetry function, so one could be endessly pushing and pulling bits, to get an approximation of symmetry.
#1474
  • Posts: 750
  • Karma: 17
  • Thank you received: 160

wartech replied the topic: Stormtrooper Helmet is Incorrect

I already update helmet by the way for V4 and M4 )) you hole was fixed)

P.S. as about symmetry sorry... but looks it impossible... it was drawn like that...
#1475
  • Posts: 750
  • Karma: 17
  • Thank you received: 160

wartech replied the topic: Stormtrooper Helmet is Incorrect

Just check your one)) And looks your looks better))) So i will update uding your one))))
#1476
  • Posts: 23
  • Thank you received: 3

rannochmuir replied the topic: Stormtrooper Helmet is Incorrect

Cool!

- I'm off to buy the add-on pack :)
#1477
  • Posts: 15
  • Thank you received: 1

Roninpryyst replied the topic: Stormtrooper Helmet is Incorrect

Snow troopers are my favorite since i first saw them in 1980 as a kid. I saw the figure in CVS before I saw the commercial for the Empire Strikes Back.
#1492